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Originally posted by YK@HKG View PostIs the burning rate more worthwhile for LH miles on SQ flights? If that's the case, I will try to credit my next SQ flights on M&M.
I ran into an issue with regions when I last spent my miles. I was trying to redeem an award to PVG. An Australia/NZ/Oceania to North Asia award costs 90 000 miles in Business, rather good value IMO. Now of course there aren't any direct flights since SQ hubs at SIN, which falls into South East Asia. If I'd insisted on such an award on SQ, it'd become a 3 region award (Australia/NZ/Oceania-SEA-North Asia), which means I'd need 160 000 miles for virtually the same award. I ended up redeeming Air NZ Business Premier MEL-AKL-PVG return for 90 000 miles.
On the other hand you could do quite well if your award originates in South East Asia, and you wanted to get to Australia/NZ/Oceania - you could get a very nice trip out of redeeming an SQ flight to NZ, use ** enroute stop to check out NZ, then continue on an Air NZ flight to any South Pacific destination including Fiji, Tahiti, Noumea etc. And the cost of all that would be 90 000 miles in business.Last edited by KeithMEL; 25 June 2007, 07:13 PM.All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.
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Originally posted by KeithMEL View PostI ran into an issue with regions when I last spent my miles. I was trying to redeem an award to PVG. An Australia/NZ/Oceania to North Asia award costs 90 000 miles in Business, rather good value IMO. Now of course there aren't any direct flights since SQ hubs at SIN, which falls into South East Asia. If I'd insisted on such an award on SQ, it'd become a 3 region award (Australia/NZ/Oceania-SEA-North Asia), which means I'd need 160 000 miles for virtually the same award. I ended up redeeming Air NZ Business Premier MEL-AKL-PVG return for 90 000 miles.
On the other hand you could do quite well if your award originates in South East Asia, and you wanted to get to Australia/NZ/Oceania - you could get a very nice trip out of redeeming an SQ flight to NZ, use ** enroute stop to check out NZ, then continue on an Air NZ flight to any South Pacific destination including Fiji, Tahiti, Noumea etc. And the cost of all that would be 90 000 miles in business.
It seems like it's gonna be bye bye KF....
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Originally posted by YK@HKG View PostThanks for the explanations....looks like quite a bargain....
It seems like it's gonna be bye bye KF....
And as this is a completely different topic - I thought it best to start a new thread in the interest of keeping things on topic.All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.
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Interesting discussion, especially useful for people like myself who are not familar with M&M.
Other advantages of KF I would think, is earning AMEX credit card points (from the KF Amex card). In 2006, I earned about 30,000 points just based on credit card spending.
What about others ? 15% discount for award redemption, priority for SQ bookings (?)
Originally posted by KeithMEL View PostKF is not totally devoid of advantages - you can use KF miles to upgrade on SQ flight for instance. You'd need a lot more LH miles for upgrades on SQ and not all fare buckets are eligible. So all depends on what you want out of the program/s.
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hi keith- so if i bank my miles with LH, how many miles will it take for a redemption on sq (north-east asia to western U.S.) in first? Do i use lufthansa's award chart or do i use sq's? I'm so confused about this double-dipping thing, it's making my head spin. also, who would i contact to do a redemption of LH miles on a SQ flight, since you can't online book the flight on either airline's website. Finally, if you bank with LH, do you still get 25% PPS mileage bonus in KF? thanks so much almighty mielage guru.
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Let me pinch-hit for Keith while he's away.
Double-dipping means you accumulate a partner's award miles, while PPS keeps tabs of your PPS status. To use the M&M example, you're accumulating LH miles towards SQ redemptions, so you have to use LH award charts and also contact LH to redeem those miles. The ability to redeem on SQ flights depends on the availability of seats to partners like LH; SQ tends to free up more seats for KrisFlyer members than for partner FFers.
The PPS bonus is only available to you when you bank with KrisFlyer.‘Lean into the sharp points’
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Originally posted by jjpb3 View PostLet me pinch-hit for Keith while he's away.
Double-dipping means you accumulate a partner's award miles, while PPS keeps tabs of your PPS status. To use the M&M example, you're accumulating LH miles towards SQ redemptions, so you have to use LH award charts and also contact LH to redeem those miles. The ability to redeem on SQ flights depends on the availability of seats to partners like LH; SQ tends to free up more seats for KrisFlyer members than for partner FFers.
The PPS bonus is only available to you when you bank with KrisFlyer.
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Originally posted by acey View PostWhat about others ? 15% discount for award redemption, priority for SQ bookings (?)
Oh and also you get access to the non-saver awards (albeit those require a lot more miles) whereas people on other *A FFPs only get the I and O class seats. This means you get access to 77W and A380 seats whereas the rest of us don't, with rare exceptions.All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.
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Originally posted by 9V-JKL View PostTo double-dip when you book, tell your TA to put these in:
FQTV: LHxxxxxxxxxxx
FQTS: SQxxxxxxxxxx
That way, miles go into LH account and PPS sector/miles/value will also be countedAll opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.
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YK@HKG,
You do need to do an indepth analysis on the various *A FFP's before committing. LH is only decent for banking miles to if you're a habitual FACJDZYB booker.
Not so fab if your bookings have other alphabets
Try searching around at BD, UA and AC too - their programs have some neat tricks as well.
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Originally posted by SQflyergirl View PostTry searching around at BD, UA and AC too - their programs have some neat tricks as well.
Also seems to be the flavour of the month for some of our SQTalkers.All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.
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Originally posted by SQflyergirl View PostYou do need to do an indepth analysis on the various *A FFP's before committing. LH is only decent for banking miles to if you're a habitual FACJDZYB booker.
Not so fab if your bookings have other alphabets
Indeed...the twice and triple miles for Business and First class bookings make it an attractive option.
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Originally posted by KeithMEL View PostYeah do check out BD - similar earn rate to M+M. Plus they're now open to membership worldwide.
Also seems to be the flavour of the month for some of our SQTalkers.
I have secured my SEN status in January 2007. That's why I moved my SQ to BD mostly. But my UA flights are still going to UA. And my AC flights are going to LH. Well, now I am looking forward in keeping my BA Silver and DL or NW Gold.
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