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  • Large diferences between restricted and flexi fares

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    Last edited by SQtraveller; 20 August 2017, 03:45 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by SQtraveller View Post
    Hi guys,
    When I did a trial booking on line with SQ, I noticed in August there are some return flights from LHR to SIN for around GBP460. But these are not mileage accruable... to earn miles I have to pay close to GBP 800 so as to buy a semi flex.
    Is this a really common issue? If so, it sucks!!
    Would you expect to pay for the price for a 6" Pan Pizza and they give you a 14" one?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SINFJ View Post
      Would you expect to pay for the price for a 6" Pan Pizza and they give you a 14" one?
      I think SQtraveller's point is that there's no option to pay more for miles rather than a lot more for miles+flexibility.

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      • #4
        Yes, I only noticed it this year, and it's a pain. Not so long ago, the price difference between the inflexible (but still miles acruable) and flexible fare was no more than 50 to 100 pounds difference.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SQtraveller View Post
          Is this a really common issue? If so, it sucks!!
          It's no different to LH, SK, AC and many other *A airlines. There are many faults with the SQ booking engine, but at least SQ is very transparent about which fares give you what and letting you choose between them

          Yes, the difference did used to be 50 or 100 - in fact it was zero, because only about a year ago, the cheapest SQ fares ex-LHR booked into W class - but perhaps SQ rightly concluded that the very few of us who cared about mileage were willing to pay a much higher premium for them

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          • #6
            I think the other important point to note is that the lowest mileage accruing fare (the £800 fare) in your example books into M class, which is not eligible for upgrading.

            E fares (eligible for upgrades) clock in at about £50-£100 more.

            In this instance, it probably is worth checking with other TAs whether they can offer you M class tickets at a price lower than the SQ website. There have been instances where I have managed to get them at a discount (although then the issue of TA-enforced restrictions, such as £50 per date change and non-ability to choose specific seats come into question).

            I think the key is, SQ has managed (whether wisely or not) to differentiate between

            (A) Travellers who want cheap deals full stop;

            (B) Travellers who value the added perks which come with flying the airline (such as miles, FFP, lounge access etc).

            If one wants to get the best of both worlds ex-LON, maybe you should have a look at EK. They're consistently cheap in Y (and J and F too), and all their fares are mileage accruable, plus there are no effective blackouts on upgrades. Oh, they're very generous with op-ups too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kelvgoh View Post
              If one wants to get the best of both worlds ex-LON, maybe you should have a look at EK
              I'm just happy SQ has all these promo fares out now, cuz yeah for me otherwise it would've definitely been EK ahlan wasahlan here I come!
              Le jour de Saint Eugène, en traversant la Calle Mayor...

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              • #8
                LHR-SIN rtn in July is about 550pounds for restricted and 850pounds for flexible. In August, it is 550pounds and >1000pounds respectively!! I know the sterling is weak but it's not that weak.

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                  • #10
                    Define "small amount"?

                    alternatively, you could also do a wait and see. I've almost always bought my tickets 2-3 weeks before I fly, just so that I know what is a "good price" to pay for tickets.

                    Once in a while too you get free tag-ons such as free flights to HKG which probably add that little bit of value to the fare. I used to get such offers all the time from Lees, and do a one day turnaround.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kelvgoh View Post
                      Define "small amount"?

                      alternatively, you could also do a wait and see. I've almost always bought my tickets 2-3 weeks before I fly, just so that I know what is a "good price" to pay for tickets.

                      Once in a while too you get free tag-ons such as free flights to HKG which probably add that little bit of value to the fare. I used to get such offers all the time from Lees, and do a one day turnaround.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SQtraveller View Post
                        That is interesting I've never bought tickets that close to the fly date - I guess I'm scared that I might not get a ticket!!

                        I'm thinking of flying late August - do you recommend waiting until early August before making a booking then?
                        I think it depends on what time of year it is. I would never wait that late to book my tickets if I was flying around any holiday season here in Australia, school holidays and Christmas times are extremely busy.

                        If when you want to fly is just a normal time in your part of the world I would wait, fuel surcharges have to come down eventually, maybe.

                        Also if I am looking to upgrade from Y to J I tend to book asap to give myself more chance of getting a saver award.

                        SQ238.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SQ238 View Post
                          I think it depends on what time of year it is. I would never wait that late to book my tickets if I was flying around any holiday season here in Australia, school holidays and Christmas times are extremely busy.

                          If when you want to fly is just a normal time in your part of the world I would wait, fuel surcharges have to come down eventually, maybe.

                          Also if I am looking to upgrade from Y to J I tend to book asap to give myself more chance of getting a saver award.

                          SQ238.
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                          • #14
                            The consumer surplus for SQ aficionados is a lot higher than your normal pax. These special fares are meant to attract pax who would otherwise fly with other carriers. Those who are interested in accruing miles with SQ are already in the bag and so they (SQ) know they've got your business. This is partly due to the fact that there is very little competition within the Star Alliance network on the LHR-SIN-OZ/NZ routes. Imagine if there was another carrier, with whom you can accrue Star Alliance miles with, on this sector; the pressure would cause prices for accruable fares to drop. You'll realise very few Star Alliance airlines do compete with each other on certain trunk routes. The same applies to One World and in certain markets like SIN, where TG is trying to gain some market share; their discount economy fares are only accruable to Royal Orchid Plus and not Krisflyer even though they are both part of Star Alliance.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Airline Orgasm View Post
                              This is partly due to the fact that there is very little competition within the Star Alliance network on the LHR-SIN-OZ/NZ routes.
                              Err no. There is lots of competition within *A on UK to NZ/Oz route.

                              TG, SQ, NZ, UA, AC, OZ all have their own flights
                              LH, LX, OS all have competitive fares with 1 or more legs on codeshares or partner airlines
                              Not sure about CA (I really should look them up).
                              ..

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