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Originally posted by 9V-SKU View PostAnd let’s also remember that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a slightly older fleet as long as it’s well maintained.
the issue is the cabin is very dated. Look at the IFE in 772 economy. Also the seat is inconvenience. I always accidentally press the recline button.visit my blog
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seems like way too much capacity for limited growth.
i suspect the 77Ws may not all last for very long more...give another 2-3 years we'll probably be talking about 77Ws leaving the fleet. by 2020 SWA-SWG will be 14 years old. that's almost as old as the 772s are now.
given that the 77Ws have less cycles and more value in the airframe, it may make sense to sell them off before they get too old. not too sure what the 2nd hand market is like though.
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Originally posted by SQ217 View PostJust a theory maybe they plan of on really targeting the secondary destination market that silk air are currently serving and selling off the MI 737's.
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Originally posted by ell3 View Postseems like way too much capacity for limited growth.
i suspect the 77Ws may not all last for very long more...give another 2-3 years we'll probably be talking about 77Ws leaving the fleet. by 2020 SWA-SWG will be 14 years old. that's almost as old as the 772s are now.
given that the 77Ws have less cycles and more value in the airframe, it may make sense to sell them off before they get too old. not too sure what the 2nd hand market is like though.
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Originally posted by flyguy View PostOn the contrary, believed the 77Ws will be flying for much longer period of time as there's no other similiar substitute for it now until the 77X comes along and there's just not enough 77Ws now.
A350
J = 42
PEY = 24
Y = 187
Total = 253
77W
J = 49
PEY = 28
Y = 184
Total = 264
Although the 77W does have F they only have 4 seats SQ has been reducing the F count for many years. Besides aircraft replacements never have an identical seat count.
The 77X is a much bigger aircraft than the 77W. Its more likely the 77X will replace the A380s.
As well as this the 77X order isn't a firm order so I am not sure if those figures above include this.Last edited by FN-GM; 26 July 2018, 12:35 AM.
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Originally posted by FN-GM View PostThe A350-900 has a similar number of seats. Just 11 seats difference.
A350
J = 42
PEY = 24
Y = 187
Total = 253
77W
J = 49
PEY = 28
Y = 184
Total = 264
Although the 77W does have F they only have 4 seats SQ has been reducing the F count for many years. Besides aircraft replacements never have an identical seat count.
The 77X is a much bigger aircraft than the 77W. Its more likely the 77X will replace the A380s.
As well as this the 77X order isn't a firm order so I am not sure if those figures above include this.
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Originally posted by FN-GM View PostAs well as this the 77X order isn't a firm order so I am not sure if those figures above include this.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-10-...r-39-Airplanes
It does included the 779 aircraft, if you register for the article you can see a break down of the estimated deliveries:
2018 - 9 x A350; 9 x B78J
2019 - 3 x A350; 16 x B78J
2020 - 11 x B779; 18 x B78J
2021 - 10 x A350; 9 x B779
Not sure if its financial or calendar year. They a missed one A380 due to arrive shortly. As the B779 is still in development it will probably be delayed as well with testing and production issues.Last edited by SQ217; 26 July 2018, 06:32 AM.
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Originally posted by SQ217 View PostThat order was finalised late last year.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-10-...r-39-Airplanes
It does included the 779 aircraft, if you register for the article you can see a break down of the estimated deliveries:
2018 - 9 x A350; 9 x B78J
2019 - 3 x A350; 16 x B78J
2020 - 11 x B779; 18 x B78J
2021 - 10 x A350; 9 x B779
Not sure if its financial or calendar year. They a missed one A380 due to arrive shortly. As the B779 is still in development it will probably be delayed as well with testing and production issues.
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Originally posted by FN-GM View PostThe 77X is a much bigger aircraft than the 77W. Its more likely the 77X will replace the A380s.
One solution is that SQ will operate the 777-9 alongside the A380, utilizing the 777-9 more as a high-capacity people-mover and configure it with Business, Premium Economy and Economy (likely 10-abreast) for high traffic routes that may not command the yield and demand for a First/Suites product.
Or maybe I'm just being overly optimistic about the A380 and that it will still have a place for a couple of years more with airline that was the first to fly the double-decker aircraft commercially.
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The 779 will have to replace some of the 77W planes in near future as the 77W will be 15years old when the 779s comes into the fleet. The 779s will not be replacing the A380s initially as Jumbojet Lover has said that the remaining 14 older A380s will be going in for major refitting oly last quarter of this year and with the total refit should be flying for the next 5 years at the minimum, but given the lack of secondary A380s used narket, it will likely be that SIA will use them for a much longer time.
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Originally posted by SQ228 View PostBased on these figures, taking into account the 7 A350 ULRs arriving shortly, the A350 regional would be a very small subfleet until 2021. Something about that doesn't quite add up.
they should receive around 18 A350's over the next 18months.
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Originally posted by SQ228 View PostBased on these figures, taking into account the 7 A350 ULRs arriving shortly, the A350 regional would be a very small subfleet until 2021. Something about that doesn't quite add up.
2018 - 11x A359; 6x 78J
2019 - 9x A359; 9x 78J
2020 - 3x A359; 16 78J
2021 - 18x 78J; 11 779
2022 - 10x A359; 9 779
So we should expect the first three A35Rs this year, and a fleet of 15 by the end of 2020 (assuming these are calendar years). The gap in A350 deliveries in 2021 is interesting. Perhaps SQ is leaving open the option to upgrade the last 10 to A35Ks as 77W replacements? It just seems to me there are way too many regionally configured planes coming in, even after accounting for fleet renewal.
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