Why should svg be retired? Probably due for a c-check more likely
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Originally posted by hjerapa View Postcan't beat SRL and SRJ ! that's probably the worst in the whole fleet !
The SV* spacebed cabins are way outdated and not exactly in their best condition. SRJ and SRL are just embarrassing. Made a mistake out of BKK recently and ended up in J in one of these two - this is not up to the SQ brand promise and should have been out (or refitted) years ago.
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Originally posted by Spaniard View PostI'm pretty sure these exist out of purely financial reasons (owned vs leased) and they are selective about which markets they are deployed into but they are very difficult to justify from a brand and a customer experience perspective.
The SV* spacebed cabins are way outdated and not exactly in their best condition. SRJ and SRL are just embarrassing. Made a mistake out of BKK recently and ended up in J in one of these two - this is not up to the SQ brand promise and should have been out (or refitted) years ago.
For MNL, they let SRJ/SRL take the inbound/outbound pair which is less business friendly: early evening departure into SIN, late evening arrival into MNL. The plane then sits overnight for an early departure out of MNL and a mid-day arrival at SIN. The flight time out of MNL makes it a bit less appealing for business travelers than the other SQ departures.
The age of SRJ/SRL is most keenly felt for people in J, but for Y passengers it's still pretty good. It's still a 9-across 777 - maybe the IFE is old, but the cabin and seat itself is still quite roomy. On the MNL-SIN route the competition is either narrow-bodies or 9-across A330s.
So... yes, SRJ/SRL are old, and the J product is substandard. However, the way they're deployed tries to minimize those problems... relatively speaking.
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Interesting about SVG. I was not expecting it to leave the fleet so soon - especially before SVF since both are owned. SVG only got refitted in early 2014 after its return from Royal Brunei. I did read that all the aircraft that were eventually returned were not in the best of condition so maybe that is the reason?
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Been doing BKK a lot - I don't mind SRJ/SRL in J at all, I find the seats very comfortable and the pitch to be roomier than the A330s. BKK is too short to watch a full movie anyway. I do miss the USB ports but I carry a portable battery pack.
A couple of weeks back on SRL my IFE screen didn't work properly, the connection must have been loose as the screen kept changing into that rewinding-your-VCR type picture noise. The IFS gave the back of the screen a solid slap a couple of times and it worked fine for the rest of the flight.The world's too large a place not to go wandering.
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Originally posted by vasqflyer View PostInteresting about SVG. I was not expecting it to leave the fleet so soon - especially before SVF since both are owned. SVG only got refitted in early 2014 after its return from Royal Brunei. I did read that all the aircraft that were eventually returned were not in the best of condition so maybe that is the reason?
I'm going to be patient for a while and see where this goes.
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I've noticed that SQ638/637 to and from NRT has changed to a 777-200 according to the seat map. Think it kicks in this month and is still listed as a 777-200 into Feb next year as the 2-2-2 seat map suggests. Bit of a downgrade from the 77WN that used to service this route and quite surprised it's not even a refitted 777-200ER.
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Originally posted by leops1984 View PostThe only markets that SRJ and SRL serve nowadays are BKK and MNL. They also work around the limitations of the craft: they take the morning rotations into and out of BKK, so everyone on board is probably awake (and no one in J feels the need for a lie-flat bed).
For MNL, they let SRJ/SRL take the inbound/outbound pair which is less business friendly: early evening departure into SIN, late evening arrival into MNL. The plane then sits overnight for an early departure out of MNL and a mid-day arrival at SIN. The flight time out of MNL makes it a bit less appealing for business travelers than the other SQ departures.
The age of SRJ/SRL is most keenly felt for people in J, but for Y passengers it's still pretty good. It's still a 9-across 777 - maybe the IFE is old, but the cabin and seat itself is still quite roomy. On the MNL-SIN route the competition is either narrow-bodies or 9-across A330s.
So... yes, SRJ/SRL are old, and the J product is substandard. However, the way they're deployed tries to minimize those problems... relatively speaking.
As a passenger I want to know what I am getting, and if I am getting an inferior product (19 year old cabin design) I want to know about it and be charged accordingly. It is not the same to fly in a relatively new 333 or refitted 772 than doing so in any of these two birds, and they are charging exactly the same fare.
Just my two cents, in any case, as you rightly point out, not a huge deal for a 2 hour flight but a nasty surprise if you change the flight on the phone in the last minute and board to find... a projector!
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Originally posted by mingster View PostI've noticed that SQ638/637 to and from NRT has changed to a 777-200 according to the seat map. Think it kicks in this month and is still listed as a 777-200 into Feb next year as the 2-2-2 seat map suggests. Bit of a downgrade from the 77WN that used to service this route and quite surprised it's not even a refitted 777-200ER.
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From airlineroutes.net:
Singapore Airlines starting June 2016 is gradually moving Boeing 777-200ER operation to South Africa to -300ER, based on yesterdays (14MAR16) schedule update. From 02JUN16, 3 weekly Singapore Johannesburg service will be operated by -300ER, while 4 weekly Singapore Johannesburg Cape Town sees -300ER service from 01JUL16.
Planned schedule as follow.
Singapore Johannesburg
SQ478 SIN0210 0655JNB 77W 146
SQ479 JNB1345 0610+1SIN 77W 146
Singapore Johannesburg Cape Town
SQ478 SIN0125 0610JNB0710 0925CPT 77W x146
SQ479 CPT1040 1240JNB1345 0610+1SIN 77W x146
First class service is not offered on 777-300ER operating flights to South Africa.
Looks like JNB/CPT is going to benefit from the replacement of A350 on existing 773ER route to AMS. Wonder where then would the 772ER be used.
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Originally posted by leops1984 View PostThe only markets that SRJ and SRL serve nowadays are BKK and MNL. They also work around the limitations of the craft: they take the morning rotations into and out of BKK, so everyone on board is probably awake (and no one in J feels the need for a lie-flat bed).
For MNL, they let SRJ/SRL take the inbound/outbound pair which is less business friendly: early evening departure into SIN, late evening arrival into MNL. The plane then sits overnight for an early departure out of MNL and a mid-day arrival at SIN. The flight time out of MNL makes it a bit less appealing for business travelers than the other SQ departures.The only markets that SRJ and SRL serve nowadays are BKK and MNL. They also work around the limitations of the craft: they take the morning rotations into and out of BKK, so everyone on board is probably awake (and no one in J feels the need for a lie-flat bed).
By that reasoning, SQ shouldn't for example, offer F to Jakarta as no one would need F for a 1.5 our SINCGK flight. Or for the matter F long haul as one can get a flat bed in their long haul J.
Granted for these regional routes like BKK which I fly to regularly SQ has network strength allowing them to get away with it.. although I wish they had a late evening SINBKK flight like TG does.
However SQ still is more expensive than TG in J and the brand promise to go along with that is a superior product.
I still think the soft product is fantastic but I've stopped paying the premium for a J seat to BKK out of my own pocket (my company only pays for Y) as the last time I did that I ended up on one of those old ultimo seats.
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Originally posted by concept|infinit View PostPersonally, that line of reasoning isn't justified, not for SQ.
By that reasoning, SQ shouldn't for example, offer F to Jakarta as no one would need F for a 1.5 our SINCGK flight. Or for the matter F long haul as one can get a flat bed in their long haul J.
Granted for these regional routes like BKK which I fly to regularly SQ has network strength allowing them to get away with it.. although I wish they had a late evening SINBKK flight like TG does.
However SQ still is more expensive than TG in J and the brand promise to go along with that is a superior product.
I still think the soft product is fantastic but I've stopped paying the premium for a J seat to BKK out of my own pocket (my company only pays for Y) as the last time I did that I ended up on one of those old ultimo seats.
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Originally posted by hjerapa View PostI just saw on airline route that BKK is going back to 772's. Does anyone know if that means it will be back to these 3 SRJ-L planes doing BKK again ?
Flight SQ970 just departed SIN at 7.15am and is 9V-SRJ.
I think we are going to have these old planes on my most traveled route forever.Last edited by SQ238; 16 March 2016, 02:44 PM.
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Originally posted by ycp81 View PostFrom airlineroutes.net:
Singapore Airlines starting June 2016 is gradually moving Boeing 777-200ER operation to South Africa to -300ER, based on yesterdays (14MAR16) schedule update. From 02JUN16, 3 weekly Singapore Johannesburg service will be operated by -300ER, while 4 weekly Singapore Johannesburg Cape Town sees -300ER service from 01JUL16.
Planned schedule as follow.
Singapore Johannesburg
SQ478 SIN0210 0655JNB 77W 146
SQ479 JNB1345 0610+1SIN 77W 146
Singapore Johannesburg Cape Town
SQ478 SIN0125 0610JNB0710 0925CPT 77W x146
SQ479 CPT1040 1240JNB1345 0610+1SIN 77W x146
First class service is not offered on 777-300ER operating flights to South Africa.
Looks like JNB/CPT is going to benefit from the replacement of A350 on existing 773ER route to AMS. Wonder where then would the 772ER be used.
I think this may be more about what to do with an excess of 77Ws and the sudden lack of 772ER refits. In fact, this might be part of the reason why SVG has disappeared, since that will reduce the need for 772ER refits by two.
The announcement indicates that F "service" will not be offered, but I'm wondering if they might over-book J and upgrade some passengers to the F seat but keeping the J service? Otherwise 8 seats will remain empty.
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