HKG-SIN in F and SIN-DPS in J

[dwintersun]

Hello everyone,

This is going to be my last & final flight before National Service and would love to squeeze all the valuable time/experience with flying/SQ before going into the army.

I will be flying HKG-SIN in F (77W/Seat 2A) [unfortunately, waitlisted in Suites]

and will be going from SIN-DPS in J the next day in later afternoon.

Here are my questions:-

1. Will I be allowed to gain access to TPR? I did my research here and in other forums and the answers weren't really that clear cut. Would appreciate if any recent flyer would clarify the Q.

2. I am a Singaporean. Check-in agent would check my luggage to Singapore ONLY (and I want that too as I need to get rid of the dirty clothings and get fresh ones) as such, is it possible if I take my luggage, re-check-in with fresh luggage and go to the TPR/Lounge to have my dinner/supper.

After dinner/supper, I will get out of the airport and return home to have a good night sleep and return on the next morning to have breakfast and thereafter lunch before flying to DPS.

Do you think it's feasible & immigration would allow? (Which I believe they will).

3. How to maximise my experience in 77W F class? Champagne/ freebies / the lounge in HKIA etc ?

4. Would be anticipating to get that SGD$40 transit voucher and buy some nice alcohol


Seems like for my current flight - only have got 2 pax (me and the other pax in 2F)

Till now,

dwintersun(:

[ek&sq]

Unfortunately, you only gain access to The Private Room when you depart from Singapore on First Class or Suites. Since your onward flight to Bali is in Business, you will only be allowed to use the J-Class section of the SilverKris lounge where your dinner/breakfast/lunch plan shouldn't be a problem.

[Short Final]

ek&sq is correct and if you browse this forum, you'll see this question answered many times -- TPR only if you hold a departing SQ boarding pass out of SIN in F. If just normal J, you will get access to J SK lounge.

As for your other questions about leaving the airport. I don't think there are any problems with what you've described. I've done similar things. On occasion, I have, when arriving SIN, "entered" into Singapore (crossed immigration) just to get left luggage to check in to my onward flight, then "exited Singapore" back into the secure area to catch my flight less than an hour later. You are a Singaporean too, I don't see why you couldn't do this freely. Surely, if pressed by the authorities, you could make the excuse you left something crucial at home. Just caveat, it is my belief none of these actions involve any questions of legality, but I am not an authority there!

Also, on occasion, I have arrived in SIN, on F, but had onward F the following day, so stopped and had dinner at TPR before leaving the airport then coming back the next day.

[SINFJ]

Hello everyone,

This is going to be my last & final flight before National Service and would love to squeeze all the valuable time/experience with flying/SQ before going into the army.

I will be flying HKG-SIN in F (77W/Seat 2A) [unfortunately, waitlisted in Suites]

and will be going from SIN-DPS in J the next day in later afternoon.

Here are my questions:-

1. Will I be allowed to gain access to TPR? I did my research here and in other forums and the answers weren't really that clear cut. Would appreciate if any recent flyer would clarify the Q.

2. I am a Singaporean. Check-in agent would check my luggage to Singapore ONLY (and I want that too as I need to get rid of the dirty clothings and get fresh ones) as such, is it possible if I take my luggage, re-check-in with fresh luggage and go to the TPR/Lounge to have my dinner/supper.

After dinner/supper, I will get out of the airport and return home to have a good night sleep and return on the next morning to have breakfast and thereafter lunch before flying to DPS.

Do you think it's feasible & immigration would allow? (Which I believe they will).

3. How to maximise my experience in 77W F class? Champagne/ freebies / the lounge in HKIA etc ?

4. Would be anticipating to get that SGD$40 transit voucher and buy some nice alcohol


Seems like for my current flight - only have got 2 pax (me and the other pax in 2F)

Till now,

dwintersun(:

Before getting excited about the lounge access, could you let us know if your HKG>>>SIN and SIN>>>DPS sectors are booked as a single or separate PNR? That wil help answer question 1. There is a chance you might be directed to use the J side of the SKL in T2. Getting access into the TPR is a hit or miss based on what is posted here and FT and so far, nothing have been published officially on the SQ website.

Answwr to question 2: Even if their might be technically possible, you might run into problems at CIQ where you would have to explain why you were doing this.

Question 3: Much has been published here and in FT. Look for TRs to give yourself some ideas.

Quesion 4: Again dependent on how both your segments are ticketed and how the folks in the Airport want to enforce the rules since your booking is a next day one and you have evidence of getting out of airside.

[dwintersun]

Hello everyone,

Thank you for your reply! Really appreciate it ((:

HKG-SIN-DPS - they're booked under the same PNR/ticket using the call centre (with 15% discount given).

I just blasted an email to SQ and hope to hear from them too :/

http://www.sqtalk.com/forum/showthre...t=12693&page=2 <--- That's the website that I read and apparently it's possible to gain access to F SKL and according to some 'famous' travel blogs, some managed to get into F SKL too and the same Q was posted in another popular travel forum, a few affirmed that it's possible to gain access to TPR

Well, if they re-direct me to the SKL in T2 .. most probably I will just be 'whacking' my way thru to SKL in T3 .. by giving excuses like I've got plenty of time and would love to explore the lounges etc ..

Hmmm .. if the customs were to held me back because of what I did .. most probably I will just explain honestly to them and probably they'll let me off for that. I guess their main concern is that .. one may go in and buy those tax-free items and get out of Changi and go in again and buy more stuff .. (tax-free alcohol etc)

Reading the TRs here are certainly very enjoyable and make me more excited for my upcoming trip! (: Pretty sad that SQ bears are 'out-of-stock' permanently else I would have complete my collection (got blue/red) ..

Well, my tix = award ticket booked under F Saver from HKG-SIN-DPS (transit tix)

(:

[Dickson]

"is it possible if I take my luggage, re-check-in with fresh luggage and go to the TPR/Lounge to have my dinner/supper.

After dinner/supper, I will get out of the airport and return home to have a good night sleep and return on the next morning to have breakfast and thereafter lunch before flying to DPS"

Hmmm .. you need to be careful here. When you arrive fr HKG, you certainly can clear immigration at Changi, pickup your checked-in luggage, go up to departure hall, clear immigration again and use the lounge to have dinner/supper.

But you will run into problems when you then try to clear immigration again at arrivals.

The CIQ has a "timer" - if you "depart Sgp" and then "arrive Sgp" within too short an interval, you will be caught. And be asked questions.

Years ago, this timer wasn't implemented. I remembered that when I have an evening flight, I'll sometimes drive over to the airport, do an early check-in, clear immigration, have breakfast, clear immigration, then goto office (my office is near the airport). I even abused the system by occasionally literally sending friends/relatives at the airport, right to the departure gate (because I also have a flight within 48 hours)!!

But CIQ then changed the system to put in the timer. And I got caught!! "Beep!!". I was summoned to see his supervisor. When I tried to explain that I was there to use the lounge, I was sharply told that the departure hall is a controlled area and one cannot simply enter and depart just to use the lounge. The supervisor refused to let me go and I'd to backtrack to the departure hall. Fortunately, that was in T2 and I decided to try my luck in another terminal. So I went to T3, tried clearning immigration again, got "beeped", gave same excuse, asked for forgiveness and this particular supervisor was more lenient. He let me through and I never tried that again. That was a traumatizing experience!!

I'm not sure whether you'll have similar trouble. You'll definitely be flagged.

You may be better off not checking in your luggage at HKG. So when you arrive in SIN, go straight to the lounge, do your stuff. Then clear immigration and go home.

[stargold]

If you really must "maximise" the experience in TPR, I would do as follows:

1. Check luggage to SIN as you planned.
2. Get off the flight at SIN, do not clear immigration, proceed to the TPR.
3. Stay as long as you want at the TPR (until after dinner, if you want), then clear immigration.
4. Your baggage should be at the Lost Baggage office - collect, go home, sleep.
5. Come back to the airport with the fresh luggage to check in to DPS.

But if you go with your original plan of entering and leaving Singapore a number of times in such a short time, you will almost certainly suffer the same experience as Dickson, Singaporean or not. Wasn't there also the case of the popstar fans who got into trouble by purchasing a ticket to go airside with no intention to travel, or something along those lines?

[dwintersun]

If you really must "maximise" the experience in TPR, I would do as follows:

1. Check luggage to SIN as you planned.
2. Get off the flight at SIN, do not clear immigration, proceed to the TPR.
3. Stay as long as you want at the TPR (until after dinner, if you want), then clear immigration.
4. Your baggage should be at the Lost Baggage office - collect, go home, sleep.
5. Come back to the airport with the fresh luggage to check in to DPS.

But if you go with your original plan of entering and leaving Singapore a number of times in such a short time, you will almost certainly suffer the same experience as Dickson, Singaporean or not. Wasn't there also the case of the popstar fans who got into trouble by purchasing a ticket to go airside with no intention to travel, or something along those lines?

Hello,

I did thought of that idea but don't I need to have a boarding pass from SIN-DPS in which I can only get that only if I'm done with my check-in?

I can print online but I need the airline's endorsement too.

[SINFJ]

Hello,

I did thought of that idea but don't I need to have a boarding pass from SIN-DPS in which I can only get that only if I'm done with my check-in?

I can print online but I need the airline's endorsement too.

You can ask for your BP to be printed in HKG and ask them to check your bags to SIN only

[Kyo]

The CIQ has a "timer" - if you "depart Sgp" and then "arrive Sgp" within too short an interval, you will be caught. And be asked questions.

How long is the timer set for, incidentally? Some people may do turnarounds to KUL/CGK and want to exit again. I guess they could be done in, say, 4 hours?

[jbflyer]

My friend was almost "caught" by CIQ when she was trying to enter into Singapore while her transit flight to Taiwan is just around 4 hours later. After she explained that her friend would come and fetch her for dinner, then the officer just let her clear the immigration and enter into Singapore. I do not see any issue as you have plenty of time to travel around in Singapore.

[CarbonMan]

My friend was almost "caught" by CIQ when she was trying to enter into Singapore while her transit flight to Taiwan is just around 4 hours later. After she explained that her friend would come and fetch her for dinner, then the officer just let her clear the immigration and enter into Singapore. I do not see any issue as you have plenty of time to travel around in Singapore.

I don't think it's an issue coming out and going back in again. However, going in and coming back out is. I've had friends while on transit in SIN, to come out, have a meal on land side for an hour so before their connecting flight.

[Short Final]

Interesting to know about the CIQ timer. Surely it would be a hassle to get pulled over by CIQ. At the same time, surely if one gave a better answer than you are there just to use the lounge, one would be spared some flak. For example, I forgot my contact lenses at home and I need them for my trip.

[Dickson]

I guess the CIQ timer is set for around 12 hours or so. 4 hours just seems too short.

In my case, I did think of the excuse of forgeting something at home. The problem is that my flight is not due, till like the next day, or at least 12 hours later. If I use that excuse, it triggers further question - why in the world then did I enter the departure hall so early? And why no luggage? In the end, I just confessed my sin and find the right officer to pardon me!!

[dwintersun]

Dear all,

Here's the official reply that I got from SQ but judging from the wording .. I got a feeling that the CSO might not have an answer. Comments anyone? I will just probably be printing out that email .. just in case.

Dear XXX,
Thank you for your email.
If you are travelling on First / Suites Class from Hong Kong to Singapore and transferring to Business Class
from Singapore to Denpasar within 24 hours, you may have access to 'The Private Room'.
You are also eligible for the Changi Dollar Voucher of S$40 if you are transiting Singapore,
for travelling on or before 30Jun13, or S$20 for travelling between 01 Jul 2013 - 31 Mar 2014.