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  • It's time to jump ship from AA to QF?

    Paging our resident QFF expert.

    In between thoughts of new and exciting ways to earn miles on my shiny new AMEX card and how I really need to be working on my honours thesis proposal instead of posting on here - several changes in personal circumstances have caused me to ponder over the wisdom of sticking with AAdvantage vs jumping ship to QFF.

    I usually burn FF miles to position myself between stops of my RTW. Aside from that I don't really have the time or money to go on additional trips on my miles.

    I have gained lots of good value awards out of AAdvantage. However since then circumstances have changed. I figured that the pot of BMI DC miles that I'm currently sitting on, as well as miles I will gain from converting AMEX points will last me for as long as I still have the time to do RTW trips. I also anticipate to do less flying once uni finishes end of this year -- unless I commence yet another course.

    Between now and the end of the year when my EXP status expires, I'd be able to squeak into QF WP status with 1460 SCs. And with some flying early next year will be able to attain Partner Gold (my QFF membership year runs June-June). Hence I'm starting to think about whether QF WP might suit me better.

    Those who know me will know my flying patterns well, most paid flights in J with short flights paid for out of the main DONE ticket in whY. Flight-wise I tend to fly QF whenever they operate a route as they're my carrier of choice, otherwise BA. I also do some flying in the US as I try to visit LA once a year.

    The way I see it...

    Advantages of QFF status:
    - Less flying required to gain emerald status; the flying I did last year to achieve AA EXP status would've been sufficient to gain QF WP over 2.5 times.

    - More baggage allowance on QF - as I tend to shop quite a lot during my trips this will save a not insignificant sum of money on shipping/overlimit penalties

    - Partner Gold will come in useful when the other half has to fly alone and in whY

    - Less hold time on the phone (currently averaging at 30 mins)

    - Unofficial ability to convert revenue seats into awards - the flexibility gained might just make up for the higher redemption levels and YQ

    - Bonus points on BA

    - A choice of AA/BA on the transatlantic due to being able to fly BA TATL (without having to go via Canada etc); sure I appreciate having EVIPs to upgrade on AA metal but I also do like having choice.

    - I can use points to upgrade on QF flights - and experience QF F more often. After that sensational experience in Feb which blew away anything other carriers have had to offer, I've been trying to find ways and means of getting back on QF F. Unfortunately I can't justify paying for revenue F and so will have to do it on upgrades and awards.

    - Ability to get into Admirals Club on "domestic" itineraries in North America

    - Ability to get one way awards paying only 50% of the cost

    - Other little things airlines do for their own elites (eg extra recognition onboard by the CSM) - yes the little things count a lot for me.

    - And of course, AA and QF might not neccessarily be alliance partners forever.

    Advantages of sticking to AA EXP:
    - Am half way to Lifetime Gold now - yes it's only Ruby status but still something nice to have.

    - Of course, the better earn/burn generally on return awards. But again like I've alluded to that doesn't necessarily determine the value of an FF program for me.

    - I can supplement the mileage balance by transferring from AMEX via SPG. But I think I'd rather try different carriers award wise and use miles gained from flying to upgrade.

    Any thoughts on this gratefully received.
    Last edited by KeithMEL; 29 March 2009, 08:07 PM.
    All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

  • #2
    Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post

    - Less flying required to gain emerald status;

    - More baggage allowance on QF -

    - A choice of AA/BA on the transatlantic due to being able to fly BA TATL (without having to go via Canada etc); sure I appreciate having EVIPs to upgrade on AA metal but I also do like having choice.

    - I can use points to upgrade on QF flights - and experience QF F more often. After that sensational experience in Feb which blew away anything other carriers have had to offer, I've been trying to find ways and means of getting back on QF F. Unfortunately I can't justify paying for revenue F and so will have to do it on upgrades and awards.

    - Ability to get into Admirals Club on "domestic" itineraries in North America

    - Ability to get one way awards paying only 50% of the cost

    - Other little things airlines do for their own elites (eg extra recognition onboard by the CSM) - yes the little things count a lot for me.

    - And of course, AA and QF might not neccessarily be alliance partners forever.
    Hi Keith.
    All the reasons mentioned above are enough to bring me to switch the FFP, if I were you.

    Personally, the possibility to fly QF F more often, to fly BA TATL and the easier requalification are the critical points pushing me towards QF.

    Advantages of sticking to AA EXP:
    - Am half way to Lifetime Gold now - yes it's only Ruby status but still something nice to have.

    - Of course, the better earn/burn generally on return awards. But again like I've alluded to that doesn't necessarily determine the value of an FF program for me.

    - I can supplement the mileage balance by transferring from AMEX via SPG. But I think I'd rather try different carriers award wise and use miles gained from flying to upgrade.

    Any thoughts on this gratefully received.
    Is the ruby lifetime status really worthing? I don't think so. And however the threshold for getting it every year is smtgh you can hit easily.

    I usually burn miles only for positioning flights or award for my girlfriend (why am I dating a girl who hates flying?!?!? ), relatives. So, even if the ratio is really generous is smtgh that seems to be not so important for me /you.

    So, this is my point of view, but I must specify I'm definitely not a QF expert.
    There's only One way to fly.... SINGAPORE AIRLINES!
    If SQ is too expensive, the other way to fly is Qatar Airways

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
      Paging our resident QFF expert.
      Wouldn't that be you

      Not being anywhere near QFF status at all, I think what personally benefits you the most would be best.

      Originally posted by LukeGT View Post
      (why am I dating a girl who hates flying?!?!? )
      Cos she's HOT
      Sorry this is OT

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 9V-JKL View Post
        Wouldn't that be you
        Given that I've been crediting everything to AAdvantage since 2005, no. I was thinking of a certain AKL-based SQTalker. Here's hoping he wouldn't be too busy in the air to log in.

        I think I've got a fairly clear idea now after having canvassed different options, as the main thing I can forsee happening is my level of flying decreasing to a point where EXP status might be a bit untenable but QFF Platinum still within reach. Flounge access is nice.

        Luke: I sympathatise entirely. Whilst the other half likes traveling... he's more along the lines of :
        "But why can't we take the early departure? I don't care about the Spacebeds. I want to land in Singapore at 4pm."

        "Why can't you just go to Dubai directly, why must you go via X, Y and Z??"



        Having avoided the extremely long queue when we went straight to the lounge to check in for a domestic flight to ADL over Labour Day weekend however, after incessantly declaring FF status worthless I think he's beginning to get it. *note to self: must get him into the Flounge some time*
        Last edited by KeithMEL; 30 March 2009, 12:58 PM.
        All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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        • #5
          I do not have and do not plan to have any involvement with QFF. Shouldn't that be reason enough?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Savage25 View Post
            I do not have and do not plan to have any involvement with QFF. Shouldn't that be reason enough?
            A Savage25 Effect-free FFP, that's a compelling reason indeed.
            All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Savage25 View Post
              I do not have and do not plan to have any involvement with QFF. Shouldn't that be reason enough?
              As QFF does not work for me at all, you're just killing me, dude!
              HUGE AL

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              • #8
                I think you're almost ready to jump ship, Keith. Seems from your list of pros and cons that QFF will be best for your style and pattern(s) of flying (and your partner could be accommodated as well through the program).

                By the way, off topic, but really like your new avatar picture.

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                • #9
                  The way you framed the options, KeithMEL, I think it's clear which way your mind and heart point to.

                  I'm not really clear about what's stopping the decision; the arguments in favor of staying with AAdvantage don't sound convincing to me, given what I know of your travel patterns.
                  ‘Lean into the sharp points’

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jjpb3 View Post
                    The way you framed the options, KeithMEL, I think it's clear which way your mind and heart point to.

                    I'm not really clear about what's stopping the decision; the arguments in favor of staying with AAdvantage don't sound convincing to me, given what I know of your travel patterns.
                    For some reason I wasn't able to convince myself and hence wanted some validation I s'pose.

                    The other thing I should've mentioned more clearly, as of today, only direct sweep credit cards in Australia earn QFF points. So I'd need a cobranded QFF card if I want to continue earning QFF points on the CC (or in the case of AMEX, upgrade to a Platinum charge card - umm, maybe in 10 years). That to me removes a lot of the choice and flexibility of AMEX Membership Rewards points which currently have a list of 6 airline partners and 3 hotel partners to redeem with, as I do appreciate trying other carriers from time to time such as carriers I've never tried like VS and classic favourites like SQ and MH. So my plan might just involve keeping AMEX points for the occassional reward on the MR partners or SPG nights, and using QFF points gained from flying to upgrade.

                    I also thought that, given I'd still get AA PLT for the next calendar year which comes with the 100% mileage bonus (what I view as the most attractive perk besides lounge access) on AA and selected partners - it wouldn't be that hard to switch back should QF WP not work out for me.

                    I've just switched my numbers on upcoming bookings. So QF WP here i come!

                    Umm, back to the thesis...
                    Last edited by KeithMEL; 30 March 2009, 09:03 PM.
                    All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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                    • #11
                      KeithMEL, dude, what's another annual A/DONE4/5/6 to you??? Keep both.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                        I've just switched my numbers on upcoming bookings. So QF WP here i come!
                        Congrats on the jump. I think you'll be happier after doing that.
                        ‘Lean into the sharp points’

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jjpb3 View Post
                          I'm not really clear about what's stopping the decision; the arguments in favor of staying with AAdvantage don't sound convincing to me, given what I know of your travel patterns.
                          Yeah, I've always wondered why you didn't choose a FFP from Down Under. You always mentioned the bad burn rates...

                          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                          ...my shiny new AMEX card...
                          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                          ...as well as miles I will gain from converting AMEX points...
                          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                          I can supplement the mileage balance by transferring from AMEX via SPG.
                          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                          That to me removes a lot of the choice and flexibility of AMEX Membership Rewards points which currently have a list of 6 airline partners and 3 hotel partners to redeem with...
                          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                          So my plan might just involve keeping AMEX points for the occassional reward on the MR partners or SPG nights...
                          KeithMEL buddy, with your interchangeable usage of "MR" and "SPG," I've been utterly confused as to what kind of AMEX you're holding. Is it the SPG AMEX or the regular one that only allows MR redemptions...or is there a strange Australian card the combines the two? Help?
                          HUGE AL

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HUGE AL View Post
                            KeithMEL buddy, with your interchangeable usage of "MR" and "SPG," I've been utterly confused as to what kind of AMEX you're holding. Is it the SPG AMEX or the regular one that only allows MR redemptions...or is there a strange Australian card the combines the two? Help?
                            There's no SPG AMEX in Australia. Mine's the Plat credit card which earns 1.5 point per A$1 spent. Only MR redemptions. The list of travel partners includes SPG (1000 MR : 330 Starpoints).

                            As SPG itself has a list of airline partners you could convert Starpoints into miles with, a lot of Australia-based AMEX folk are able to funnel their MR points via SPG to AAdvantage/BA EC/M+M etc. No BMI alas...
                            Last edited by KeithMEL; 31 March 2009, 03:04 PM.
                            All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                              There's no SPG AMEX in Australia. Mine's the Plat credit card which earns 1.5 point per A$1 spent. Only MR redemptions. The list of travel partners includes SPG (1000 MR : 330 Starpoints).

                              As SPG itself has a list of airline partners you could convert Starpoints into miles with, a lot of Australia-based AMEX folk are able to funnel their MR points via SPG to AAdvantage/BA EC/M+M etc. No BMI alas...
                              Wow, that's one rough burn rate (compared with the USA SPG card).

                              Any way to snag a USA SPG AMEX? They appear to be pretty easy going about them. I mean, it's not a hard as getting a CC in JP!
                              HUGE AL

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